Comments on: Vote “NO” on Alberto Gonzales http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/ Wed, 23 May 2012 07:08:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Benice http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-149 Benice Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:23:31 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-149 <a href="http://info.italoguide.com/figura-tango.html " rel="nofollow">figura tango</a> .. figura tango ..

]]> By: Iowa Plowboy http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-148 Iowa Plowboy Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:04:17 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-148 Yes, I agree with the thread..... At the same time, we should bring back a true human rights activist like Janet Reno....who advocated using our military to kill innocent women and children in Waco. I wonder if those citizens, as misdirected as they were, were contemplating the true meaning of the term torture as they were being insinerated..... John Owens-ream said: So there you go again more concerned with platitudes and sticking up for your Administration than you are about compassion, our world image, justice, or most importantly, reality. You keep interchanging Saddam for Osama, and now you’re interchanging all Iraqi’s for Terrorists. Well, not exactly, John. I, for one, see no compassion for ununiformed terrorists who's stated goal is to exterminate us and our allies. Nice liberal word, but not really applicable. I don't much care about our world image. Your allies in the press, specifically but not limited to, CNN/AL-Jazeera/USA, The New York/Al-Queda Times, the moe, larry, and curly networks, USA/Al-Queda Today, etc have taken care of that image for us....not to mention polititians in your own party too numerous to mention who have made a career of trashing our country at every opportunity...a few examples, Your party's chairman, the certifiable kook running for the senate in Connecticut, the presidential candidates from the 2 previous elections, the more certifiable congressman in Ohio....etc etc etc. Just because John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Howard Dean say Gonzales advocates torture doesn't make it true, folks. John, and the writer of this thread, you might research your stuff a bit before posting.....just a suggestion. Yes, I agree with the thread…..

At the same time, we should bring back a true human rights activist like Janet Reno….who advocated using our military to kill innocent women and children in Waco. I wonder if those citizens, as misdirected as they were, were contemplating the true meaning of the term torture as they were being insinerated…..

John Owens-ream said:
So there you go again more concerned with platitudes and sticking up for your Administration than you are about compassion, our world image, justice, or most importantly, reality. You keep interchanging Saddam for Osama, and now you’re interchanging all Iraqi’s for Terrorists.

Well, not exactly, John. I, for one, see no compassion for ununiformed terrorists who’s stated goal is to exterminate us and our allies. Nice liberal word, but not really applicable.
I don’t much care about our world image. Your allies in the press, specifically but not limited to, CNN/AL-Jazeera/USA, The New York/Al-Queda Times, the moe, larry, and curly networks, USA/Al-Queda Today, etc have taken care of that image for us….not to mention polititians in your own party too numerous to mention who have made a career of trashing our country at every opportunity…a few examples, Your party’s chairman, the certifiable kook running for the senate in Connecticut, the presidential candidates from the 2 previous elections, the more certifiable congressman in Ohio….etc etc etc.

Just because John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Howard Dean say Gonzales advocates torture doesn’t make it true, folks.
John, and the writer of this thread, you might research your stuff a bit before posting…..just a suggestion.

]]> By: Boys First Time http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-147 Boys First Time Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:50:41 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-147 black apples It title strike black apples It title strike

]]> By: Dangerous Dongs http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-146 Dangerous Dongs Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:50:26 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-146 Left oranges show for buck Left oranges show for buck

]]> By: Daniel http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-145 Daniel Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:56:45 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-145 Matthew – two wrongs will never make a right. By playing their game of torture and illegal warfare will only lower us to their level. I don’t condone terrorist activities, but they are fighting the only way they can win. Why would you ever think they would meet us on a field of battle? In the time of broadsides and vollies, our own heroes, Nathanael Greene, John Paul Jones and none other than George Washington would never have thought to meet the British on the ground of British choosing. It turns out that our officers would have been charged with war crimes for their actions. We broke the rules of war to over throw a tyrant, sadly the world thinks we have evolved into tyrants ourselves. Also at that time, our flag meant nothing, would it have been acceptable to torture us, does land make a person just human enough? Enough of the history lesson, but just remember that hindsight is 20/20. To the future, maybe we could change our tactics. We don’t need the 3rd armored division or planes capable of carpet bombing St. Petersburg into submission. Maybe we should reorganize our army into smaller tactical units to take on these “Savages” as you so eloquently put it. You know we used to call a people that lived around here savages, they turned out to be some of best nations to ever walk on earth, but fuck them right? I will leave you with that. Matthew – two wrongs will never make a right. By playing their game of torture and illegal warfare will only lower us to their level. I don’t condone terrorist activities, but they are fighting the only way they can win. Why would you ever think they would meet us on a field of battle?
In the time of broadsides and vollies, our own heroes, Nathanael Greene, John Paul Jones and none other than George Washington would never have thought to meet the British on the ground of British choosing. It turns out that our officers would have been charged with war crimes for their actions. We broke the rules of war to over throw a tyrant, sadly the world thinks we have evolved into tyrants ourselves. Also at that time, our flag meant nothing, would it have been acceptable to torture us, does land make a person just human enough?
Enough of the history lesson, but just remember that hindsight is 20/20. To the future, maybe we could change our tactics. We don’t need the 3rd armored division or planes capable of carpet bombing St. Petersburg into submission. Maybe we should reorganize our army into smaller tactical units to take on these “Savages” as you so eloquently put it. You know we used to call a people that lived around here savages, they turned out to be some of best nations to ever walk on earth, but fuck them right? I will leave you with that.

]]> By: John Owens-Ream http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-144 John Owens-Ream Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:55:29 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-144 If we didn't care about the beheadings we wouldn't bother denouncing them, calling for safer troop deployments, asking for better equipment for them, and trying to get a pull out plan in the works (so we can get them the f--k out of there). If we knew all the detainees had been guilty, I don't care what happens to them. But we don't, in fact, we know that the majority of them ended up being released because they were completely innocent. At Abu Garaif alone we ended up realeasing 70% as "completely cleared beyond suspicion." That included plenty that we tortured. Now our compassion to innocent soldiers also happens to go out to innocent civilians who get tortured, even if they don't speak english. So there you go again more concerned with platitudes and sticking up for your Administration than you are about compassion, our world image, justice, or most importantly, reality. You keep interchanging Saddam for Osama, and now you're interchanging all Iraqi's for Terrorists. Sums you guys up in an instant. If we didn’t care about the beheadings we wouldn’t bother denouncing them, calling for safer troop deployments, asking for better equipment for them, and trying to get a pull out plan in the works (so we can get them the f–k out of there).

If we knew all the detainees had been guilty, I don’t care what happens to them.

But we don’t, in fact, we know that the majority of them ended up being released because they were completely innocent. At Abu Garaif alone we ended up realeasing 70% as “completely cleared beyond suspicion.” That included plenty that we tortured.

Now our compassion to innocent soldiers also happens to go out to innocent civilians who get tortured, even if they don’t speak english.

So there you go again more concerned with platitudes and sticking up for your Administration than you are about compassion, our world image, justice, or most importantly, reality. You keep interchanging Saddam for Osama, and now you’re interchanging all Iraqi’s for Terrorists.

Sums you guys up in an instant.

]]> By: Mike http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-143 Mike Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:09:35 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-143 maybe if we werent there in the first place...... maybe if we werent there in the first place……

]]> By: Matthew Lytle http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-142 Matthew Lytle Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:16:35 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-142 So, you guys are more concerned about us putting women's underwear on our prisoners than those we're fighting around the world viciously behead their prisoners, and then post the videos on the Internet. Sums you guys up in an instant. So, you guys are more concerned about us putting women’s underwear on our prisoners than those we’re fighting around the world viciously behead their prisoners, and then post the videos on the Internet.

Sums you guys up in an instant.

]]> By: John Owens-Ream http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-141 John Owens-Ream Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:59 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-141 Similarly at no point in the election were Bush's aproval rating lower than during the news that things happening in Iraq's Tortue Chambers rivaled the torture Saddam had inflicted, or that Senior American officials had known about it for going on 8 months without doing anything but launching "probes" which had yet to get testimony from anyone. If we had known then that Gonzales had written memos like he did (but we didn't because we didn't use the Freedom of Info Act until later) he would have been forced to resign. High 70 to 80 percents of Americans were "disgusted" and "ashamed" because of those photos. So lets make it clear: Bush's core supporters may not think torture is a big deal, and Bush's nominee for Attorney General certainly doesn't, but the true Moral Majority of America does. Americans are against torture, and the fight not to nominate Gonzales is thus a patriotic one. Similarly

at no point in the election were Bush’s aproval rating lower than during the news that things happening in Iraq’s Tortue Chambers rivaled the torture Saddam had inflicted, or that Senior American officials had known about it for going on 8 months without doing anything but launching “probes” which had yet to get testimony from anyone. If we had known then that Gonzales had written memos like he did (but we didn’t because we didn’t use the Freedom of Info Act until later) he would have been forced to resign.

High 70 to 80 percents of Americans were “disgusted” and “ashamed” because of those photos.

So lets make it clear: Bush’s core supporters may not think torture is a big deal, and Bush’s nominee for Attorney General certainly doesn’t, but the true Moral Majority of America does. Americans are against torture, and the fight not to nominate Gonzales is thus a patriotic one.

]]> By: Jay http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-140 Jay Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:54:57 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/vote-no-on-alberto-gonzales/#comment-140 I would just like to point out that torture violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the UN General Assembly in December of 1948. Violations include Article 1 All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Article 2 1. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. 2. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty. Article 3 Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. Article 5 No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Article 6 Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law. Article 7 All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination. Article 30 Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein. Lets not forget this important document. Peace. I would just like to point out that torture violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the UN General Assembly in December of 1948. Violations include

Article 1
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2
1. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

2. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 30

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Lets not forget this important document.

Peace.

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