Comments on: Betrayal http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/24/betrayal/ Fri, 16 May 2008 06:00:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Kyle Michaelis http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/24/betrayal/#comment-55575 Kyle Michaelis Fri, 25 May 2007 03:46:29 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/24/betrayal/#comment-55575 We make this an act of capitulation by drawing such lines in the sand and not recognizing that there is a process and a strategy at work that is more important than pandering to the Democratic Party's anti-war activists. I can't believe how much utter and complete crap is being thrown in the Democratic Congress's direction in complete obliviousness to the fact that THIS POST is playing directly in the Republicans' hands. We have had a Democratic Congress for just 5 months. They're asking for a few more months to build pressure on Republican Congressmen to create a veto-proof majority over the summer that will force a true CHANGE OF COURSE in Iraq.....and you are completely undermining those efforts by falling into the traditional liberal trap of assuming the worst of our own leaders. We should be taking the challenge and amping up the pressure on THEM.....but, no, we're Democrats - we'd rather attack ourselves. Olbermann is wrong about this vote. This war will not be ended with a flip of a switch. It's taken 5 years to get us into this mess, and I'm appalled that after 12 years in the political wilderness, we don't seem to have learned a damn thing. We make this an act of capitulation by drawing such lines in the sand and not recognizing that there is a process and a strategy at work that is more important than pandering to the Democratic Party’s anti-war activists. I can’t believe how much utter and complete crap is being thrown in the Democratic Congress’s direction in complete obliviousness to the fact that THIS POST is playing directly in the Republicans’ hands.

We have had a Democratic Congress for just 5 months. They’re asking for a few more months to build pressure on Republican Congressmen to create a veto-proof majority over the summer that will force a true CHANGE OF COURSE in Iraq…..and you are completely undermining those efforts by falling into the traditional liberal trap of assuming the worst of our own leaders. We should be taking the challenge and amping up the pressure on THEM…..but, no, we’re Democrats - we’d rather attack ourselves.

Olbermann is wrong about this vote. This war will not be ended with a flip of a switch. It’s taken 5 years to get us into this mess, and I’m appalled that after 12 years in the political wilderness, we don’t seem to have learned a damn thing.

]]> By: dave http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/24/betrayal/#comment-55576 dave Fri, 25 May 2007 03:56:38 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/24/betrayal/#comment-55576 No, Kyle. No. I'm sorry, but no. This was a bullshit bill. It was absolute bullshit. It did absolutely nothing to stop the war. It gave Bush everything he wanted. I don't need to assume the worst of my leaders when they go ahead and prove that they're just that weak. This was not a win. Calling it a win insults our intelligence. They deserve every bit of this, and more, Kyle. They fucked us over. They stabbed us in the back. I didn't harbor any illusions that the Democratic Congress could actually end the war - the numbers aren't there. But evidently <b>funding the war</b> was more important than anything. That's wrong. They blew it. And it will not be forgotten. They just weakened their negotiating position to absolutely nothing. Already, a defense spending bill is in the works that will fund the war for the <b>entire</b> 2008 fiscal year. Face it. It's over. <b>There was not a single thing that was anti-war about this bill.</b> Anyone who voted for it should be ashamed of themselves. No, Kyle. No. I’m sorry, but no. This was a bullshit bill. It was absolute bullshit. It did absolutely nothing to stop the war. It gave Bush everything he wanted. I don’t need to assume the worst of my leaders when they go ahead and prove that they’re just that weak.

This was not a win. Calling it a win insults our intelligence.

They deserve every bit of this, and more, Kyle. They fucked us over. They stabbed us in the back.

I didn’t harbor any illusions that the Democratic Congress could actually end the war - the numbers aren’t there. But evidently funding the war was more important than anything. That’s wrong. They blew it. And it will not be forgotten.

They just weakened their negotiating position to absolutely nothing. Already, a defense spending bill is in the works that will fund the war for the entire 2008 fiscal year. Face it. It’s over.

There was not a single thing that was anti-war about this bill. Anyone who voted for it should be ashamed of themselves.

]]> By: Tyler http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/24/betrayal/#comment-56958 Tyler Thu, 31 May 2007 04:42:52 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/24/betrayal/#comment-56958 Kyle, I'm sorry to say that you've drank the DNC's kool-aid. The Democrats CAN end the war; of course, that would have required them to actually grow a pair. They were elected for the sole purpose of ending the war. Bush has, or rather had, no bargaining power; the public is overwhelmingly against him, and had the Democrats stuck to their guns, it would only be a matter of time before Republicans in Congress would have had to either abandon the administration or face defeat in what would likely have been the biggest landslide in American history in 2008. But Olbermann is spot-on, the Dems traded their moral position for magic beans; for nothing, to not be criticized by a discredited administration over the recess. If we lose in '08 we completely deserve it after this disgrace. I don't know what else to say, other than that, in addition to the Democratic party being broken, it's clear to me that the American Republic no longer functions. How could it when the opposition party caves like this? Kyle, I’m sorry to say that you’ve drank the DNC’s kool-aid. The Democrats CAN end the war; of course, that would have required them to actually grow a pair. They were elected for the sole purpose of ending the war. Bush has, or rather had, no bargaining power; the public is overwhelmingly against him, and had the Democrats stuck to their guns, it would only be a matter of time before Republicans in Congress would have had to either abandon the administration or face defeat in what would likely have been the biggest landslide in American history in 2008. But Olbermann is spot-on, the Dems traded their moral position for magic beans; for nothing, to not be criticized by a discredited administration over the recess. If we lose in ‘08 we completely deserve it after this disgrace. I don’t know what else to say, other than that, in addition to the Democratic party being broken, it’s clear to me that the American Republic no longer functions. How could it when the opposition party caves like this?

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