Comments on: I Agree With Rudy Giuliani… http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/ Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:04:33 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Tyler http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/comment-page-1/#comment-53873 Tyler Wed, 16 May 2007 17:22:25 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/#comment-53873 I think this is indicative of how the "values issues" - Neocon newspeak for governmental coercion to produce social outcomes they subjectively feel are desirable (and which people wouldn't voluntarily choose), based on "values" cherry-picked from an arcane religious text - are rapidly becoming less and less relevant. That's not to say that the neocons by-and-large don't still support those positions, it's just that the public has begun to realize how asinine issues like gay marriage really are. I mean, Canada legalized gay marriage a few years back and just look at the barbarian hordes at the gates of Toronto. This is directly related to the waning influence of the South and the increaing influence of the libertarian-leaning West in national politics, in my opinion. I think this is indicative of how the “values issues” – Neocon newspeak for governmental coercion to produce social outcomes they subjectively feel are desirable (and which people wouldn’t voluntarily choose), based on “values” cherry-picked from an arcane religious text – are rapidly becoming less and less relevant. That’s not to say that the neocons by-and-large don’t still support those positions, it’s just that the public has begun to realize how asinine issues like gay marriage really are. I mean, Canada legalized gay marriage a few years back and just look at the barbarian hordes at the gates of Toronto. This is directly related to the waning influence of the South and the increaing influence of the libertarian-leaning West in national politics, in my opinion.

]]> By: Eric http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/comment-page-1/#comment-53063 Eric Fri, 11 May 2007 23:10:25 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/#comment-53063 It will be interesting to see what happens in the general election if the GOP really nominates Guilliani. A lot of folks vote Republican because pro-life issues are the most important to them but otherwise hold fairly liberal views. If the social issues are neutralized, who wins: the economic liberals or the economic conservatives? It will be interesting to see what happens in the general election if the GOP really nominates Guilliani. A lot of folks vote Republican because pro-life issues are the most important to them but otherwise hold fairly liberal views. If the social issues are neutralized, who wins: the economic liberals or the economic conservatives?

]]> By: dave http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/comment-page-1/#comment-53048 dave Fri, 11 May 2007 22:23:27 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/#comment-53048 You would think... But no, actually, the Republicans in California aren't any more reasonable than the Republicans here. There's just a greater percentage of them here. I mean, for God's sake, Duncan Hunter's a California Republican! They might place less of an emphasis on "social" issues, but trust me, there's a considerable presence of religious conservatives in each of those states - <i>especially</i> in Florida. I don't think there's enough "moderate" Republicans to make this a politically safe move for Giuliani. But given his previous stance on abortion, it was the only move he had left to make. Can Giuliani win the Republican nomination not only without the support of the evangelical wing, but indeed, with their active opposition? Time will tell. You would think… But no, actually, the Republicans in California aren’t any more reasonable than the Republicans here. There’s just a greater percentage of them here. I mean, for God’s sake, Duncan Hunter’s a California Republican!

They might place less of an emphasis on “social” issues, but trust me, there’s a considerable presence of religious conservatives in each of those states – especially in Florida.

I don’t think there’s enough “moderate” Republicans to make this a politically safe move for Giuliani. But given his previous stance on abortion, it was the only move he had left to make.

Can Giuliani win the Republican nomination not only without the support of the evangelical wing, but indeed, with their active opposition? Time will tell.

]]> By: TedK http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/comment-page-1/#comment-53046 TedK Fri, 11 May 2007 22:14:26 +0000 http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2007/05/11/i-agree-with-rudy-giuliani/#comment-53046 Rudy, like most Republicans, has no scruples. He simply realized that this position would get him the most votes in the early primaries with New York, California and Florida. Rudy, like most Republicans, has no scruples. He simply realized that this position would get him the most votes in the early primaries with New York, California and Florida.

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