Bill Bennett, former Sectretary of Education, recently commented on his daily radio brodcast that “…You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.” Since the comments were made there has been an outrage throughout the country. Democratic and black leaders have spoken out repeatedly demanding an appology, to which Bennett has repeatedy declined.
After reading the trascript, I don’t believe Mr. Bennett seriously wants to abort every black baby. He did, however, rather strongly suggest that the crime rate is this country is directly related to the black population. And to this I demand an apology. It is simply wrong to single out one group of people and make broad assumptions simply because of their skin color, even if it is a ‘hypothetical’ as Bennett suggests.
What is really remarkable is that there has not been a significant voice from the Republicans in this country about the comment. Why are they unwilling to speak out against a high-profile member of their party? You cannot deny that the comment was, at best inappropriate, and at worst rascist. A rational person simply cannot extrapolate data the way that Bennett did to reach the conclusion that aborting every black baby will decrease the crime rate. So in response, I will do a little extrapolating myself and conclude that indeed, all Republicans are rascist.
For an audio clip of the brodcast go to Media Matters.
Thank you Mr. Madison for raising this great point. I think it is blatantly obvious that indeed ALL republicans ARE racist. I wish it not true, but through years of selling the African-American community short, I think it is time to call out these modern day klan members as the bigots that they are. The statement made by Bill Bennett sheds light on quite possibly the biggest issue facing America today. Not abortion nor crime. Rather, the continued culture of hate, racism, and bigotry that is being advanced in Republican America today. The fact that as a group of civilized people we would still have to sit here and argue that all people ARE inherently equal is utterly embarassing to man kind. We know right versus wrong. We know that all people are created equal. We know that all people should be treated equal. And we know that Bill Bennett and the republican party, having been born equal, have chosen this philosophy of hate and racism that is tearing the fabric of America at its seams.
You know, I’m convinced that Republicans don’t have any sense of sarcasm whatsoever.
To Mr Hamilton’s blatant generzation of Republicans is just as stupid as Bennett’s statement. Why is it that to be called Republican, deams one racist?
Does that also mean that for one to say that all Democrats are wimps?
Mr. Chad,
Being a wimp would have to be a staple in the belief system of a large number of democrats in order to rationally approach the conclusion that in deed all democrats are wimps. However, policies detrimental to minorities are present in all of the modern day republican administrations and congresses. This is not an outlandish claim made for shock value, as calling all democrats was. This is a substantiated statement with years of republican actions to back it up. Prove to me Republicans aren’t racist. While potentially not all racist on an individual level, the end of one’s republican vote is a policy agenda counter to the needs of the African-American community so, again, I say, prove to me that Republicans are not racist.
I must ask, just precisely what is it about this comment that caused you to delete it after it was posted? “All Republicans are racist.” Sooooo…..you’re kidding us, right? Assuming that there’s any difference between the two parties, or that indeed we have a two-party system, racism cuts across all party lines. Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd rose to the rank of Grand Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan based on his ability to recruit new members. He was a member of the KKK for over two decades. In an autobiography released earlier this year, Byrd said the Klan was a “fraternal group” made up of “upstanding’ people” – a characterization which drew no protest from Reid, Kennedy and Dean. Byrd wrote, “Rather I should die a thousand times, and see old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels.” Robert C. Byrd is not just any Senator. He’s a leader. Respected by his colleagues. He has been elected by his fellow Senators numerous times to be Majority Leader, Minority Leader, and chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He has been president pro tempore of the Senate three times. That’s third in line to the presidency, after the Vice President and Speaker of the House. MoveOn.org recently sent a letter to supporters urging them to contribute to Byrd’s 2006 Senate campaign. The letter was signed by none other than Democratic Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the Senate’s only African American. Byrd has even been called “the conscience of the Senate” by some.
You saying all republicans are racist is on the same level of him saying his comment. Whether a skin color or a political affiliation, you as a democrat, should know that each case is different, and focus on the individual rather than the group. I shouldn’t have to tell you to open your mind, since you’re such a thoughtful democrat and all…
Republican’s dont care about people. Plain and simple, the party stands for the rich and for big business. You don’t care about anyone except for Christian Extremists, which are so far out of the mainstream they would want this country to be a second Vatican. We don’t need you or any of these religous whack jobs in this country. This is America, land of the free, home of the motherfucking brave. Not exclusively of the White Christian Right. You and your party should be ashamed of the embrassment you cause this country in world affairs.
I’m thinking a few of you missed the point. Don’t look to any of us to find it for you though.
If you guys want to keep up the “all Republicans are racist” and “Religion is evil” lines, I’d be glad. No one votes for Democrats, and this will only help the trend along.
It’s good to see someone beside the Old Guard (Ryan R, chief- Or are they the same person?) posting on the blog. Still though, the race-baiting and grand generalizations continue. Keep up the good work.
haha chief, i am glad you got a rise out of them with that comment
, dont take everything to heart people
lol, I don’t think people completely “got” the real meaning of the post…
In regards to JJ’s post:
That has to be one of the dumbest and the most uneducated post I have ever read in my life. You should be ashamed of yourself.
On behalf of JJ, what was so uneducated about his post? Are not republicans a party predominately comprised of white christians? Are not democratic ideals understanding of people from all walks of life? Finally, can you honestly sit there and say that Republicans as a rule are not more wealthy than are Democrats? To call someone uneducated when they are simply stating facts is rather bold. Bill, I would like to encourage you to open your mind to find the truth where it so blatantly rests. Walk with an open mind for a moment and notice that the Democratic Party is the party of the people, all people. The Republican party IS the party of the christian right. What reasons are given against gay marriage? The Bible. What reasons are given against abortion? The Ten Commandments. I pity you if you are either that arrogant or extremely ignorant not to notice that the Republican Party does pander to the christian right. I would recommend to you, Mr. Bill, to get your facts straight before coming onto a democratic blog and making a complete mockery of yourself. If I was your mother I would be ashamed of you. Back your arguments with facts and one might respect you more. Until then, your word will never be taken seriously.
To take one man’s view and simply state that all Republicans are racist is incredibly stupid and makes democrats in general look bad. History lesson for the UNO Democrats, it certainly wasn’t the democrats who freed the slaves and pushed for reconstruction in the south by getting rid of rich whitle land owners. It was the Radical Republicans that pushed for such things. Things do change over time, but the statement’s you make above are ridiculous and shows that you as a group fail to discuss real issues and instead are here to bury another party because of one man’s racist remarks.
Progress can not be made unless both parties can stop bickering about trivial crap. Instead of trying to solve our problems, we enlist the blame game and cause rifts in our political system and the people suffer, the same people that you “try” to help. Maybe if you thought of ways to solve our problems instead of conjuring up new ones in order to put your respective party in office, we might actually improve our country.
Couldn’t have said it better. Amen.
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Wow, a sarcasm detector! That’s a real useful invention!
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I still don’t think anyone has legitimately answered either Hamilton or Taylor’s questions. All you republicans seem to know how to do is to criticize people’s intelligence rather than logically disprove arguments. I believe they asked you rightwingers to prove that Republicans are not racist. What have republicans done to help out black people? This is an honest to god question. I am extremely confused. I have not seen anything done by the Republicans to help out african americans. I may be missing something though. If there is a republican out there that is more interested in inlightening me than calling Taylor and Hamilton and JJ stupid, please show me the light of the Republican party. Until then, I concur, Republicans are racist.
the Fact that Bennett would even entertain the idiot that called into the shows idea on the air in the first place is stupid to say the least and very insensitive.
Bennett did not give other factors that would figure into someone being predisposed to committ crimes i.e. education, income, childhood upbringing etc. Instead he focused on race. He implied that even thought it would be wrong to abort black people do committ more crimes and therefore aborting black babies would solve the nation’s crime issues.
He didn’t say fixing NCLB so that schools are funded would fix the crime rate, He didn’t say ending corporate welfare and giving the help where it was truly needed. He didn’t say that if we tactled any of the factors that contribute to crime then we would lower the crime rate.
What he said was that the unfortunate truth was that aborting black babies would lower the crime rate. So what Mr. Bennett was really saying without having the balls to come right out and say it, was that blacks are predisposed to commit crime.
These are ther type of people that the GOp has been catering to for decades. Then they have the nerve to ask for my vote as an African American by playing the Lincoln freed the slaves card and Democrats were once racist.
There is a reason why most dixiecrats left the Democratic party and Joined the GOP and remain there til the present and it is because the GOp caters to their racist intolerant ways. This incident is probably nothing out of the ordinary for that party. It was just one intsead of being said behind closed dooors at one of their conventions or leadership trainings it got airplay for millions to hear.
I hope that every Black person that voted for republicans has an aha moment during the midterms and sends these clowns packing.
Ok, to refute everything you just said
1. Republicans have helped African Americans before, wasn’t Lincoln a Republican, didn’t he free the slaves. Wasn’t the Republican Congress that pushed to get rich white DEMOCRATIC landowners out of power and push for civil rights during the reconstruction of the south. Didn’t the Republican congress impeach the democrat Johnson because his policies kept Blacks from voting? Also, the KKK were once considered white Democrats. Read a History Book
2. Secondly to generalize a group is moronic. Lets look at an example, if I were to say that all African Americans were scum because the majority of people in prision are African Americans, then I would be an idiot. To say that ALL republicans are racist because of idiots such as Trent Lott and Bennet would be idiotic. Generalizing people is just another term for racism when you break it down, because you are grouping people based on the actions of a few.
So to end my statement, saying negative things about the republican party based on the acts of a few is racist, and therefore makes you one.
PS: Just to let you know, I am not a Republican, but an Independent, so just because I oppose your views doesn’t make me a Republican. Now, if you didn’t generalize people, you might open up your mind and look at different viewpoints than just good vs evil.
Man,
It is you not I who should read a history book. I am a blacxk Studies Minor and Lincoln didn’t free anyone out of the kindness of his heart. In fact the emancipation proclamation freed no one.
Let me break it down for you. Lincoln was in jepordary of losing the war needed to keep states that were comptimplating succeeding into staying with him. His advisors urged him not to issues the proclamation unitl he achieved a much needed victory in battle.
Lincoln also allowed states that stayed with the Union or that were under union controll to keep their slaves but don’t take my word it read his own words
That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
It was never his intetntion to free anybody. Furthermore how can you free slaves in states that don’t even recognize you as their legitamate form of governement. The South had an army, consitittuion, currency, navy and its’ own president. Please don’t come hear and lecture me on my history.
The south has always been bitter about the turnout of the civil war and Southern Racist Democrats who refused to let go of their hatred during the civil rights movement succeeded from the Democratic party.
It was the GOP who saw this as an opportunity to cripple the Democratic party in the south and courted these racist and their philossphies for their vote. This is Fact! Even the Chair of The GOp Ken Melhman admitts it and has made an insincere attempt at apologizing for this tatic. This apology is nothing more than a tactic to split the African American Vote a solid base for the Democrats. Not one policy that the Republican lead Administration has implemented has benefited blacks. Not One.
And this pattern of catering to racist attitudes plus this unprecedented power that the republicans have has embolden them to the point were they make such blanket racist statement and think that they are justified in doing so and many of you come here and blast us for our post.
It’s called Sarcasim people get a clue. I didn’t see indies nor republicans getting bent out of shape when Bennett made his comment.
One more thought I am sick and tired of people using the word racism and racist in ways that don’t explain what the terms truly mean. In oreder to be racist you must control instutions in society that wield control and power ie judicial system, educational system, economical you get my point.
Certain people in this country have done an excellent job with the double speak when it pertains to talking about race and racism.
Robin-
From a theoretical standpoint, I, of course, understand your point about societal power being necessary to support racism, but – just as one proud Democrat to another – I don’t think this assertion is necessary or even helpful to your larger argument. In fact, it flies in the face of what most people consider common sense – that any personal act of violence or even favoritism on the basis of another’s skin color is racist. Ultimately, I think such thinking will benefit society and should not be shot-down from a theoretical standpoint. What we need to do is make a distinction between “institutional racism” (which may well fit within the parameters Robin lays out) and “individual racism” which is solely a matter of the human heart and intellect (or lack thereof). They really are two different concepts (though linked) and should be addressed and CONFRONTED as such.
Ok, this should be the last time I talk about the subject (this group must be estatic) but I will end with three points.
1. To be a racist, you don’t have to yield power. Racist simply means disliking a person based on race, sexual orientation, political affiliation, religion, etc.
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln He did oppose slavery, but you are right about him being credited too much for freeing the african americans. But you shouldn’t forget that Southern Democrats were very made about Republicans coming in and taking away their source of labor. The Republicans crippled the Southern Economy, but that is because it was based on the work of slaves. Many laws that were placed by Andrew Johnson basically made freed men into slaves binding them to contracts by their white owners. Radical Republicans opposed this and set up the Freedmen’s Bureau to help former southern slaves. Unfortunately, with pressures from Southern Democrats, a lot of these measures ended and we are still left with a racist and poor south.
3. History, and I will admit, is very slanted to someone’s viewpoints. Look at the US Revolution. US citizens believe the people were patriots, the British view them as traitors. Native American Studies will always cater towards Native Americans, Black Studies will cater to african american viewpoints, and the same goes to classes taught by anglo-saxons. You must open up your mind and respect all viewpoints. I agree with a lot of your statements, but there is also a lot I just do not agree with. I believe that racism exists on both sides of the party, as well as between the different groups. For every Trent Lott you will have an Ernie Chambers. Lets put this behind us and work towards finding a common ground other than hate between the parties.
I just had a kick ass idea to raise the mean IQ of the US – how about we abort all Republican babies? Am I right or what?
Man, you people sure do love abortion. Let me remind you, you guys were fetuses once too.
Tyler,
Your comment shows how you, a Democrat, ABUSES our First Amendment. Your comment about aborting Republican babies was highly UNCALLED FOR. It doesn’t matter which political party you agree with; your comment is very disrespectful. Show some class for your political party. You only portray the Democrats in a negative and disruptive manner. Take a lesson from the Republicans and if you disagree, you facts to back up your claim, rather than slandering comments. I’m surprised this website would even allow a comment like this to be posted!
Thank you!
Mleinda,
While I wouldn’t have made the coment Tyler Made( hi Honey), I would like to know when the Republican party has used facts to back up any of their agenda. Oh let me see
You mean the “facts” they used for the case to going to war with Iraq? or the so called newsreports concering NCLB. How about the prescription drugs plan true cost? So please educate me on when in the last five years the Republican party has used actual facts to back up any claims.
Tyler,
I agree wholeheartedly, and I know that deep down, most republicans know that the world would be better off without them. They have a negative view on society anyway, one in which people cannot act rationally without being driven by religion and a fear of people with differences including but not limited to homosexuals, african americans, and especially muslims. If they hate the world they live in so much, why are they even here. I welcome a legitimate argument to my claim that they are useless to the betterment of society, hate the world they live in, and everyone would be better off without them.
Haha, ok most of you dont know tyler personally (if that is the tyler i know), that was one of his nicer statements….come on people, take things with a grain of salt, stop being so offended by things
It’s because of liberals like you(Dan and Tyler) that this country has gone to waste.
Erin, way to make a claim without backing it up with anything. I also propose this question, do you think our country is noticably better since your party came into power? Oh and by the way this is a message to ALL republicans out there, calling us “liberals” does not make us mad, thats what we are and what we are proud to be, just as you dont get offended to be called conservative. There seems to be that misconception.
Allow me to say something that’s been on my mind for a while, now. Keep in mind, this is just my humble opinion.
Is speaking in absolutes the best way to express an idea? Saying that all black people are criminals or that all republicans are racist or that all conservatives/liberals are causing the country’s problems is a generalization.
Generalizations are not the best way to express something. It is what fuels the stereotypes that in turn fuel hatred and extremism.
The purpose of this post may have been for shock value, but it “was, at best, inappropriate.”
And that my friends, is ironic.
Bravo. Could not have said it better.
To say you cannot make such statements about crime vs. population is logically wrong. Aborting all of any population segment will drop the crime rate. Follow me here. If you abort every white baby in America the crime rate will drop the most, since most criminals are white. If you abort every black baby in America the crime rate will drop since the next largest criminal segment is black. There is no denying the fact that per population based on race the crime rate among blacks is higher than that of whites even though more criminals are white. Other population segments contribute to crime, Hispanics and Asians, but to a less extent.
To say all republicans are racist is logically wrong. Again, follow me here, you can say that this or that republican is racist and I will agree if the evidence shows it. For instance, I absolutely know a close person was racist before he died. That person was a republican. I also know a republican that is not racist. So, the argument falls apart. Disagreeing politically does not make some one the opposite of you.
If you dismiss me as a racist; I would submit, since you do not know me, you can not judge me.
From the Political Center – JRF .. http://www.rhetoricbuster.com
Did anyone see Vokal on the news tonight? He wants to make prostitution a felony. Why doesn’t he take a look at the real problem – drugs. Anyway, who does he think he is, the legislature? Only they can make that the law. Isn’t Jim Vokal gay anyway? Why does he care about prostitutes? I say we get more male prostitutes for Jim Vokal.
Holy shit, can’t you conservatives take a joke? I mean seriously, how exactly would a fetus be a Republican, a Democrat, or a Libertarian for that matter? Are you people completely dense? (rhetorical question)
Also:
Melinda, I “abuse” the first ammendment, do I? How exactly does writing something offensive (offensive to dopey twats like you that can’t take a joke, that is) constitute “abuse” of the first ammendment? I suppose you would prefer that anyone that says something you don’t agree should be locked up. The very purpose of the first ammendment is to protect unpopular speech. Speaking of which, why don’t you exercise your first ammendment right to blow me?
I take offense to your comment that “all Republicans are racist!” First of all, I am Republican and African American. I saw your so call poster and it offended a lot of UNO students. One person cannot speak for the entire party. There are alot of pressing issues going on in this country and I am saddened at the lack of response to Bill Bennett’s comment but that does not mean that every Republican is a racist.
I do not know who wrote the original commentary but you obviously do not know Republicans very well (especially African American ones) because you assumed there are none when you wrote this. And do not assume anything negative or write it. I take issue with offensive material and statements that are the same. I am proud of the party that I stand beside. There are a some bad apples in the group. But THERE ARE ALSO SOME RACIST DEMOCRATS AS WELL. Get the facts straight before you go labeling people.
Why is everyones panties in such a bunch no one said that all replubicans were racist. The questioned was posed ARE Republicans All Racist?
From that Question a discussion was generated and yes some repsoned yes republicans are racist. No one from the GOP was even midly offended by Bennettes comments in fact they all rallied behind him. This embolden him to the point where he wasn’t even apologetic at even entertaining the mere possibility that his comments were inappropriate.
This is what I am talking about brothers and sistahs. Just because the Bush administration appoints a lot of minorities does not mean that the GOp his our friend. Not one I repeat not one of their policies have benefitted blacks unless you happen to be a wealhty one. We must all remember All my skin folk aint my kinfolk!
So, statements such as Bennettes that are defended by anyone come as no surprise to me this is just status quo politics for the GOP. The fact that no Republican sees these remarks as racist but take time out of their day to defend these statements, tells me everything I need to know about the true republican agenda toward blacks.
Robin obviously you did not read what I wrote. I am offended by Bill Bennett’s comment and I said that I am also saddened by the lack of response about his statement. Secondly, I believe you missed something else. Your website does not simply ask the question “Are Republicans Racist?” It follows up by saying, “all Repulicans are racist.” That is my problem. We are not “All” racist. I know I’m not and that is why I responded because I took offense.
Also, your comment, “All my skin folk ain’t my kinfolk” separates us more. Just because I am affiliated with another political party doesn’t mean I don’t fight for discrimination, poverty issues, good schools for Black children, or other issues important to “our” people. You don’t know me and if you did you would have no idea what party I was with unless I told you. You keep looking at wealth as an issue and that is not the issue.
Delana,
One thing that you said out of your whole tirade stuck with me the most it was, You keep looking at wealth as an issue and that is not the issue.
Myself and other community activist have been working with hurricane Katrina Evcauees since they came to Omaha. Tell them that wealth isn’t an issue. No better yet ask the 7.4 million Blacks that don’t have healthcare or the 13.7 million Latinos without healthcare.
Tell me wealth isn’t an issue when Household incomes for Blacks and Latinos have declinded by $2000 under the Bush administration.
Weatlh absoulutely does matter and so does racism and institutional racism. As for my statement about all of my kin folk. Racist having been using people from ethnic groups that they want to keep oppressed for a long time. If you support an administration that would but us further into debt and sell us off to the foreign countries with the deepest pockets,
If you are a minority that supports an administration that rewards blind loyalty with high level Jobs even you aren’t qualified for them, if you support an administration who would have the Audacity to show up to MS. Rosa Park’s furneral while at the same time doing everything they can to oppose affirmative action.
If you are a minority and support an Administration that Lies us into a war, an administration that only wants the nation to consider accepting any nominee of color on the basis of color only if that nominee happens to be republican and then pooh pooh’s the notion of color and wants us all to believe that society is colorblind when the issue of race is entered into the conversation then no you are not my kin folk.
Not one policy of this administration has been friendly toward blacks not one. Instead they use my blackness when it is expedient for them to do so and dismiss my black ass when they have no use for me.
So, not only does Wealth Matter but RACE Matters and Class Matters and Gender Matters.
Please forgive the spelling errors. I tend to get carried away when I am all fired up about something. Plus I don’t touch type.
Okay, I won’t talk about interbreeding. Don’t erase me. Let’s face it the white society had killed off the indigenous people and turned this country into a huge mall. That is what history has shown me. I do not know why anyone is surprise by what he said. At least he (and the people he represents) were honest, for once. What’s new, the white society has always spoke with a fork tongue. For course, I am generalizing when I say white society. I am talking about those that make policy and have all the power, money, and “plans” for our country. I have a lot of white friends. It is good to be idealist and have a conscience for the human race, but history has shown us that racism is rampant in the United States. Where should we start. Okay, the annihilation of the Native Americans, the original Constitution only letting white, Protestants with property vote, slaves being counted a 3/5 of a person, slaves, manifest destiny, the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hildalgo of 1848 ( where the United States stoled California, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, Neveda, Colorado, ect. from Mexico) discrimination of the south eastern Europeans, lynchings, the necessity of a Civil Rights Act (after people of color got sick of the shit and started burning down cities), the current immigration policies which refers to human beings as “aliens”, just to name a few examples. It’s embarrasing that we had to enact a law for basic civil rights. Then people complain about affirmative action. All that is suppose to do when and if it works is give people opportunities not positions. If a person wants to be a doctor or lawyer for example they have pass the bar and boards just like anyone else. But first they have to have the opportunity to have a chance to take the test and get in school. They are not just given the job or title. Usually, the whiter you act the better chance you even have to benefit from affirmative action. Then there is the argument that “those people” should just pick themselves up by their bootstraps. Well, that is hard to do when you don’t have any bootstraps to pick yourself up with. Before I ramble on to much, I just hope this generation can learn from the past and not repeat it.
I don’t think all republicans are racists. I think there are different types of republicans. The racist republican, the rich republican and the environmentally infuenced republican. the racist republican of course speaks for itself. He or she is republican because he feels that party does not hold the best interest of african americans in any regard. This particular type of republican would rather suffer him or herself as a poor american than to see blacks progress in society. The rich republican is a republican for the obvious reasons…the tax cuts and benefits given to the rich and wealthy nothing more. The environmentally influenced republican is a republican because his or her peers are republican or he or she has been brainwashed by those around him. In other words, the particular company one keeps can also influence how one thinks. So know I don’t think all republicans are racist. They have different agendas. However, I do believe that the ones that are not racist have a selfish motive (rich and wealthy republican) or just clueless to the social woes and problems of society.
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Delana, are you really black or are you pretending to be
because i know none of my folk that would go with republican
parties.
Ah, this one was a good one… More evidence that Republicans don’t understand sarcasm.
I believe there is some truth to this question. Before intergration most of the South belonged to the Democratic party. During the mid 50’s and 60’s Christian schools began to appear in the South so white’s could avoid going to school with blacks. During this period most southerns followed their leaders and began migrating to the Republican party. Everyone should be made aware of Republican attempts to eliminate social programs that help older Americans ,the poor and middle class cope with everyday living. This plantation attitude is still prevelant south of the Mason-dixon line.
Yes, it must have been those racist Republicans who brought us the Great Society, which essentially incrementally replaced the father as the provider in the minority family by rewarding unwed pregnancys with a paycheck and “free” benefits. It must be the Republicans that brought us Affirmative Action, which assumes that a minority is too stupid to compete without an unfair advantage. That hideous sight in New Orleans last year with able-bodied people so helpless without government help (in the greatest country in the world) the they couldn’t get out of the way of a hurricane with more than adequate notice was obviously the result of Republican racism. The notion that minority men, with their God-given role replaced by a welfare check, litter our prisons at an disproportionate rate are there because of racist Republican legislation over the last 50 years, even though the Democrats controlled the house when these hideous destructive “initiatives” were signed into law.
All of this hideous racist legislation is that of your beloved party….turning able-bodied people into wards of the state…and lifetime Democratic voters to keep the gravy train coming in. And stealing from society’s achievers to give to the non-achievers.
If I was a fetus of any color who could express myself, I’d be a conservative Republican….because I’d CHOOSE to live…not be murdered.
Whoever created this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
First, yikes! There is another conservative Erin who is posting! I completely disagree with her comment. Second, is anyone else tired of iowa plowboy? Someone has a little too much time his hands if he is constantly posting on a liberal blog when he is clearly not a liberal.
I would also like to add:
iowa plowboy,
Here is a thought. Why don’t you use the time you waste on our blog and A) find a conservative website or B) join a campaign or movement to actually make a difference instead of arguing with liberals on OUR blog? I would not agree with your stance, but at least you would be more respectable. The UNO democrats actually go out in the community and fight for what we believe in. Until you do the same, I cannot even consider your ideas.
Respectable? Did you read your own thread title? You, the party of Al Gore? Howard Dean? Ted Kennedy? Tom Harkin? Barney Frank? Bill Clinton? Hillary Clinton, Major Owens? Nancy Pelosi? Harry Reid? John Kerry? Jimmy Carter, Bob Kerrey? etc etc etc…ad nauseum? Respectable? These people don’t respect themselves, let alone you..or me. They think you need them for your very existence in the greatest country God has ever created.
I stumbled into this site looking for an article about Pete Ricketts on Google search. Saw some of the ignorant and appalling posts about people who really make this country work. Wanted to make a few of you students think a little.
The leftist mantra the rich are evil, Republicans are racist warmongers, somehow stealing from those who do and giving to to those who don’t is fairness, requires no thought whatsoever. More importantly, Erin, it isn’t true.
You want to take random potshots at people you don’t know about things you obviously know nothing about. When your party, liberal or “moderate”, (whatever that means)throws out the racist term, your party needs to take a long look in the mirror. I would love to see how one of the vast minority of statesmen in your party, Ben Nelson, would respond to this thread. The people in the first paragraph, the true racists, the true poverty pimps, would cheer you in this hideous thread. I’ll bet Senator Nelson would be as sickened as I am.
Respectfully, Erin, maybe you should examine and be learned in your beliefs before you fight for them.
I find Ben Nelson to be a decent, solid public servant. If I could, I would vote for him.
I am not sure where all that came from. My comment does not question the respectablility of parties, but rather someone who spends time criticizing and not acting. Both parties have bad apples. Must I bring up the scandals and faults of the Repulbican party? Even the party that prides itself on being the moral one has its problems. Political leaders are not always the best representatives of their party. I don’t consider myself a person who strictly votes party lines. If I think someone is the better candidate, whether Republican or Democrat, I will vote for him or her.
Where did you get your leftist mantra anyway? Everyone in the Democratic party does not think like that! I never said that I believed Republicans were racist or rich people were evil. I know the people who post on this site and they use sarcasm. Lighten up a little.
I know what my party stands for. Whether leaders represent the party well is on a case by case basis. I did not start my voting years as a Democrat. As I grew up and paid more attention to the world, I knew what I belived in and which party was better suited for me. As someone who plans on doing biomedical research, I cannot be a part of a party that votes against stem cell research when the possibilites would be so beneficial. I cannot be in a party that denies a woman who was raped or may die at childbirth the right to have an abortion. I cannot be a part of a party that denies gays equal marriage rights. I cannot be a part of a party that favors big businesses. I cannot be a part of a party that is against abortion but is pro-war. I cannot be a part of a party that does not do more to protect the environment. I cannot be a part of a party that gives tax cuts to the rich before the struggling middle class. I cannot be a part of a party that is supposed to be fiscally conservative but puts our budget at record highs. I cannot be a part of a party that wants to do away with social security but supports a war when that cost of that war could have fixed social security. I could continue but I think you get the point.
“You want to take random potshots at people you don’t know about things you obviously know nothing about.” As for this, I have no idea what it means.
And poverty pimps? Who is making ignorant comments now?
There is one thing I can agree with you on. This is the greatest country in the world.
Ok, Erin, I’ll lighten up a little. But understand, when a group, in a forum, or anywhere else, is going to play the race card, they are going to challenged on it..and they absolutely should..Particularly when their party’s legislation, in the opinion of many, caused most of the divide in the first place. Bill Bennett is a commentator. I agree with much of what he says…not all. I don’t see him as a racist.
I agree with you on the runaway spending..But it would be delusional to think your party won’t make it worse when Pelosi and CO’s first pledge is to roll back the tax cuts..nice way to tell you she’s raising taxes without saying it..because virtually any time a liberal is honest about who they are, they lose in national elections…Stem cell research is legal…the question is whether tax dollars should fund it. Your party has done a great job of demonizing Republicans on a false premise concerning this yet again…Of course, they have CNN/Al-Jazeera-USA, the moe, larry, and curly networks, The USA/Democrat Party Today, and the New York/AL-Queda Times in their usual role of trying to manipulate the elections for you.
The rest of the stuff your party stands for as you stated it are talking points. I could go through them one-by-one but as you said, I have too much time on my hands already. I will say, however, in addition to the moral issue concerning gay marriage, it would already take a maligned industry (health care), and make it virtually unaffordable to anyone. You called my term “poverty pimp” ignorant. Seriously, Erin, with 35+ years since the Great Society with your party in control of the house. Do you honestly think your legislators wanted to make the minority family stronger by eliminating the father from the equation? Do you honestly think that they couldn’t see the staggering disparity of minorities in the prison population and see the wrong of their ways?? They, through legislation, perpetuated the problem by making out-of-wedlock birth a profit venture. Or do you think they are no different than Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, or Ernie Chambers? People who clearly have no interest whatsoever in making this situation better…because they would have no forum.
I will close by differentiating between our partys. When Mark Foley’s scandal is discovered, he is forced to resign. When Barney Frank has a gay prostitution ring running out of his apartment, he is censured…and re-elected. When Tom DeLay is ALLEGED to have committed a crime, he steps aside as to not be a distraction to his party. When William Jefferson’s freezer contains marked money from influence peddling, he is still in office…after a half-hearted request from your majority leader for his resignation. When the President of the United States perjures himself, has sex with an intern, gives nuclear technology to the Chinese in exchange for campaign dollars, he doesn’t resign, he, and his party try to create legislation to re-elect him for a 3rd term. Ted Kennedy should be in prison for life…he is the voice of your party.
Open your eyes, folks.
You should also note UNO democrats will say controversal things just to piss of conservatives- kind of like playing devil’s advocat.
Okay, so I was not specific enough on the stem cell issue. Where do you think much of the money for research comes from though? Many of the research is done in government supported universities. If it was up to conservatives, it would be illegal. As far as my party demonizing the Repubican views of stem cell research (I believe this is what you meant), I think the Republicans are doing a fine job of “demonizing” stem cell research themselves. They like to relate abortions to stem cell research when they are two very different issues. Not all stem cells comes from aborted fetuses.
Concerning the deficit, taxes will have to be raised. How else will be ever balance the budget at this rate? And being deceptive in titles happens on both ends. Do you think the PATRIOT ACT would have ever been passed if it was called “the government is spying on you and going against the Constitution” act or something else less appealing?
As far as the difference between our parties, you list only a few examples which obviously are biased toward you point. What about Hastert? Why didn’t he resign? He is surely a distraction to the party if nothing else. And the real difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Mark Foley would not have had to hide his sexual orientation. As I understand it, he quit on his own and his party tired to cover up the scandal. Another example that comes to mind involves Jeff Fortenberry of NE. Since you are from Iowa, he, in short, accepted money he shouldn’t have and he is running for another term. Arnold Schwarzenegger has been accused several times of sexual harassment and he is still in office. Republicans just like Democrats do not always do the right thing.
As cliche as it sounds, I would rather have a president who screws his intern than the country. I was more enraged at the fact that they put Clinton under oath to ask about his personal life when it is none of our business. Yes, what he did was inappropriate but not illegal. We had the world laughing at us for that one. Never heard of Clinton giving intelligence to China so I won’t make a comment on that.
I wish you would stop brining up the Kennedy’s. That whole family is a joke to me. I certainly don’t think he is “the voice of my party.”
Don’t critisize networks like CNN for telling the straight facts. Sorry they don’t spin stories in a conservative light for you like Fox news.
CNN/Al-Jazeera-USA tells a straight story? Specifically on what? Name one example which isn’t extreme left-leaning. This despicable video showing the assination of an American soldier that their darling Anderson Cooper proudly called a CNN exclusive is a prime example. I have 2 sons who have served in 2 different parts of Iraq for 2 different branches of the military. Both would go back. Both would give you a completely different account than your leftist anti-American networks. While CNN-Al-Jazeera-USA shamelessly parades the pathetic and clueless Cindy Sheehan a senile John Murtha, and a treasonous John Kerry to call my sons and the amazing people who serve (the people who give the freedom for CNN-Al-Jazeera-USA to slant and distort…not to mention, create the news) terrorists, murderers, and rapists. Do you agree with that?
Or since this is a thread on racism and Republicans…didn’t you love CNN/Al-Jazeere-USA’s “factual” and “honest” coverage of Hurricane Katrina? How they, proudly were the first to blame and to pull out the Republicans are racists card when it was the Mayor and Governor who (not to mention the citizens themselves) who failed to get their own people out? How long did they try to ride the Dan Rather story to manipulate the election even though it was known the story was fabricated before it was telecasted?
I’m confused Erin? Who is the voice of your party? Ted Kennedy, who should be in prison? Joe Biden, who quit the 1992 Presidential race because he plagiarized his entire speech? Harry “Land Deal” Reid, who illegally used campaign funds to tip his employees? Nancy “Abramhoff” Pelosi? Chuck “Plame” Schummer? Christopher “waitress sandwich” Dodd? Barney “gay prostitution ring” Frank? John “I voted for it before I voted against it” Kerry? Bill & Hillary “name your favorite scandal here” Clinton? I’d sure be proud to call any of the above a spokesman. I’m sure you are as well.
It sure as hell isn’t Ben Nelson…too bad it isn’t.
“CNN/Al-Jazeera-USA tells a straight story? Specifically on what? Name one example which isn’t extreme left-leaning.”
You’re the one making the positive claim, ergo, it’s you that needs to back it up. Very clever with the “CNN/Al-Jazeera” bit by the way; really, it just keeps getting funnier and funnier.
“This despicable video showing the assination of an American soldier that their darling Anderson Cooper proudly called a CNN exclusive is a prime example.”
So CNN showed a newsworthy clip. Those bastards!
“I have 2 sons who have served in 2 different parts of Iraq for 2 different branches of the military. Both would go back.”
That’s great. It’s also completely irrelevant to the topic and doesn’t in any way affect the veracity of your claims.
“Both would give you a completely different account than your leftist anti-American networks.”
Who wants to bet that Iowa plowboy doesn’t have any sons in Iraq?
“While CNN-Al-Jazeera-USA shamelessly parades the pathetic and clueless Cindy Sheehan a senile John Murtha, and a treasonous John Kerry to call my sons and the amazing people who serve”
I think you should google “argument ad hominem.” Really.
“(the people who give the freedom for CNN-Al-Jazeera-USA to slant and distort…not to mention, create the news) terrorists, murderers, and rapists. Do you agree with that?”
Governments and the armed thugs they employ are responsible for freedom like virgins are responsible for STDs. And if you torture or murder people, you’re a torturer/murder. Wearing a uniform or “following orders” doesn’t excuse that. Cut the special pleading bullshit.
“Or since this is a thread on racism and Republicans…didn’t you love CNN/Al-Jazeere-USA’s “factual” and “honest” coverage of Hurricane Katrina? How they, proudly were the first to blame and to pull out the Republicans are racists card when it was the Mayor and Governor who (not to mention the citizens themselves) who failed to get their own people out? How long did they try to ride the Dan Rather story to manipulate the election even though it was known the story was fabricated before it was telecasted? I’m confused Erin? Who is the voice of your party? Ted Kennedy, who should be in prison? Joe Biden, who quit the 1992 Presidential race because he plagiarized his entire speech? Harry “Land Deal” Reid, who illegally used campaign funds to tip his employees? Nancy “Abramhoff” Pelosi? Chuck “Plame” Schummer? Christopher “waitress sandwich” Dodd? Barney “gay prostitution ring” Frank? John “I voted for it before I voted against it” Kerry? Bill & Hillary “name your favorite scandal here” Clinton? I’d sure be proud to call any of the above a spokesman. I’m sure you are as well.”
The really question is “how is any of the above at all relevant in any way to the topic at hand?” Answer – it isn’t, and you’re nothing but a Republican sycophant and a troll who has contributed nothing but recycled partisan rhetoric. How about you shut the fuck up unless you have something meaningful or original to say, k?
I don’t have an incredible amount of spare time, but when I do get a chance to watch CNN, they make Republicans and Democrats look equally bad. They may, however, be more critical of the party in control, which I applaud. We need to be critical of our government and hold them accountable. It is an important part of the democractic process.
As a Democrat living in a very red state, I openly welcome anything that is not ultra conservative. Nebraskans are surrounded by conservative media sources, including Fox News, the Omaha World Herald, Rush Limbaugh (who is a joke if you ask me and I can’t believe anyone listens to his ranting), local news stations, school newspapers, and much more. But I guess you are so far right that they are seem more moderate to you.
CNN does not call all soldiers rapists, murderers, and terrorists. I believe there was one small group of American soldiers that raped a 14 yr old Iraqi girl and killed her family. One group does not equal all troops but I amy have to check the math on that one. What should CNN do with that story? Ignore it so that people like you don’t get confused or make excuses for their twisted minds? And wouldn’t a video that protrays a terrorist assassinating an American soldier convince Americans that the war is necessary? Not getting your point there. I just don’t like them showing it for the sake of the families.
Furthermore, I would like to point out that any negative feelings toward the troops is not a Democrat value. There is a difference between supporting a war and supporting the troops. If you don’t believe me ask any political science professor. Many Democrats do in fact oppose the war, because we entered into it under false pretenses. However, most Democrats support the troops and only the minority hold negative sentiment toward American soldiers. The UNO Democrats are very grateful for the American troops. We highly respect anyone who serves in the military. A few have even served themselves. Last year, we planted thousands of American flags in our pep bowl to honor the fallen soldiers. We would not have spent hundreds of man hours and over a thousand dollars on this event if we did not support our troops.
As far as the Katrina comment, I do not remember CNN or any other media source pulling out the racist card, except for Oprah. The response to the Katrina disaster was terrible, but I do not think it is because Republicans are racists. After doing some research for a political science paper, I did run across a fact that the hasty formation of the Homeland Security Dept may be partly to blame for the bureaucracy problems. In the middle of a transition, FEMA was not ready to deal with such a large scale disaster. And you cannot put all the blame on local governments. It is too big a job for local governments, thus the purpose of organizations like FEMA.
Can you please stop repeating the same information about Democratic leaders? I am tired of hearing the same thing over and over. Let’s be more original please. Yes, there are Democrats that do not represent their party well. The same goes for Republicans. Both have their bad apples and both have leaders I respect and admire. I did not vote for the people you continue to mention and do not feel they represent my beliefs well. If you are just dying to know who I do like and support, Nelson, Esch, Kleeb, Lynne Anderson, Klug, and Ewing are in a few of the local races.
I will also say in defense of Clinton and Gore while we are at it that like them or hate them, I find that anyone who devotes their life to charity or a cause is admirable. Too bad that all Republicans can see in Bill Clinton is that he cheated on his wife and did not get Osama. I think it is great the Gore is putting his efforts into saving the environment and informing people on global warming.
Erin said
“Furthermore, I would like to point out that any negative feelings toward the troops is not a Democrat value. There is a difference between supporting a war and supporting the troops. If you don’t believe me ask any political science professor. Many Democrats do in fact oppose the war, because we entered into it under false pretenses.”
-Your last Presidential candidate said” ““Education, if you make the most of it … you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” I don’t know that even the Terrorist News Network, CNN-AL-Jazeera-USA can spin that away….but they’ll certainly try….ABC did a fine job of trying last night.
-John Murtha calls our soldiers murderers. Incidentally, the rape charge is an allegation…Of course, Murtha went with the allegation and called our troops murderers.
-Dennis Kusinich says our troops intentionally target civilians for assination.
-Dick Turban compares our troops to Chinese murderers in Chinese prisons.
-Ted Kennedy…well, we’d need an interpreter…he’s incoherent.
Three out of these 4 have been Presidential candidates, Erin….who speaks for your party?? The despicable thing that Kerry said yesterday speaks volumes about your party….and must make you all real proud to be Democrats.
The poster boy for double-talk and hypocracy, Bob Kerrey came up with the ridiculous line “I support the troops but not the war” during the first Iraq war. Impossible, Erin. I wouldn’t take a college professor’s word for anything. The axiom “Those who can do, those who can’t, teach…those who can’t teach, teach gym…those who can’t teach gym become guidance councelors” is extremely applicable, IMO…particularly in college. (The fact that Ward Churchill is a college professor speaks volumes.)
The Terrorist News Network (CNN\Al-Jazeera-USA)’s playing of the assination of one of our “uneducated” (according to Kerry) soldiers is as despicable and disgraceful as Kerry’s statement. No, Erin, it doesn’t tell us to wave a surrender flag….so the people who would do this come here and do it to you…Speaks volumes that when Lynne Cheney asked Wolf Blitzer if he wanted us to win the war….there was hesitation.
How did I know that you would bring up the Kerry comment? It was a botched joke! Maybe Fox news didn’t explain to you but every other media source I have heard from has. He has apologized for the confusion. How many speech blunders does Bush have? Too many to count. It is embarrassing. I believe Kerry is allowed a few. So you named what like four Democrats who “don’t support the troops” as if you can even call those facts. How many Democrats are there in America? Again let’s do the math.
And where do you get off saying that teachers and professors are dumb right after you criticize someone for saying “troops are dumb?” You must be one ignorant bastard to believe that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Where would you be today without your teachers. I am sure you could have learned everything you know by yourself. Excuse my language but you are so far out of line that I am actually angry. What may I ask do you do that is so much better than being a teacher? Teachers are what mold students into being the professions that run this country. Education is what keeps this great country going. Of course the leave no child a dime policy of the Republican party shows how much they really care about education. I am a student and I have seen the effects of this policy-nothing but wasted money and classroom time. I happen to think that being a teacher is a very noble profession because they certainly are not compensated well. Intelligent people become teachers because they like kids or various other reasons, not because they “cannot do.”
Not sure you ever went to college to know this but our professors are some of the best and the brightest in the world. The research they do may very well save your life or your family member’s life some day. The things they invent change improve our lives. Their research keeps America competitive with the rest of the world.
And do you think I care what Lynne Cheney or Wolf Blitzer say? Why do their opinions matter? Lynne Cheney is married to a man who is against gay marriage and has a gay daughter. That shows me what kinds of person she is. Wolf Blitzer is a reporter not a politician.
Gosh, you have all said about everything.
The only thing I feel I can contribute is the following:
Traditionally, the conservative stance is one laden with religion. You might argue that all republicans are stubborn (which is not necessarily derogatory, please.) Judging from the current President, “faith” has more to do with decisions than we feel comfortable with. But, with regards to the pseudo-inherent Catholicism of the GOP, that would (sure, if you believe the Bible word for word) conflict with reality in terms of equality, and, it seems, logic. However, this generalization (and possible truth, depending on demographic), is only exacerbated by Democrats.
Traditionally, media is overwhelmingly liberal. How then, have I heard otherwise, and repeatedly? All I can say is that in PA, media is overwhelmingly liberal. Incidentally, how many ‘pop culture’ figures are Republicans? I can name, uh, 4, haha. The rest see it fit to preach to us about politics. But I do not hold this against the Democratic party; (I hold it against another generalization, zealous artists). Incidentally (and I will not expound here), democrats tend to overdo/OVERKILL political correctness. And I will not bring up the “black person in the GOP only if they were catering” comment. (how are politicians allowed to get away with that? how was McGREEVEY allowed to get away with putting a completely random person in a position of POWER?!
So sure: (I don’t know the stats, but) majority of Republicans are religious. But there is no palpable connection between this and racism. Not to mention that Republicans as a whole cannot be judged by the flaws of some powerful candidate. I would not ever want my party to be generalized according to John Kerry (pre-soldier comment) because aha politicians in general stand for nothing but themselves (to let the pockets distend further.)
But again, to address the initial inquiry, no Republicans are not all racists, though certainly racism lingers still in American society (independent of political views.) But I think it is interesting and important to hear analogous stories about how, only AFTER illegal immigrants came to small towns, the crime rate existed; the first murder in decades, trafficking, all perpetrated by the aliens. And let’s face it: socio-economically speaking, minorities are more prone to crime. (my thought is that no one wants to do crime until there is the motive, ie money vis a vis advancement, to do so, which is very much the case with the poor.)
As someone else pointed out, statistically speaking, said abortions will lower crime, but I say ONLY IF these procedures occur in worse off communities. The initial comment was an absurd non sequitor, stating nothing save the commentor’s own racism. And it is foolish to somehow entangle Republicans as a whole with the misguided comment of I forget wtvr some idiot. Would I hold it against Democrats if Barak Obama said that his favorite color was pink? I do not believe that a political party is correctly represented by arbitrary espousals. Which is to try to say, the right is not intrinsically racist, the left is not intrinsically ingratiating (or qua eg, pink-loving). Politics should not be discussed without a focus on the issues and what was constructively done towards those ends.
The day a politician concedes his/her mistakes, states in a bulleted list his/her positions and ideas, and has an appreciable sense of humor…um, he/she won’t be a politican.
What are you talking about are you trying to say that all the restricive legislation that the RACIST right does doesn’t have some agenda? Tell me that the hurricane katrina disater in New Orleans would have been the same if there was a lot of rich white people instead? Plus look at the url have of what you said was completely irelevant. And in your little list of “how are politicians allowed to get away with that” I think you’re missing a pretty big one, hmmm, IRAQ!? And you said it yourslef then changed your mind that racism does have a basis in relgion.
And to a lot of people before that guy you need to STOP citing the emancipation proclamation because I think it is safe to say that the republican and democrat party have changed since then.
Plus what’s your point, “We know what kind of woman Lynne Cheney is”, what the heck does that mean?
What I learned in (6 years, paid by me) college, Erin, is in order to get good grades in economics, you had to think like a socialist (liberal democrat) I will say that the leftist mantra— stealing from the achievers and giving to the non-achievers sounded great when I was struggling to feed my family. In order to get good grades in political science you had to loath the military, the rich, and Republicans. (liberal democrat) (These idiot professors didn’t seem to notice that there is a military base 10 miles away and half of their students were either military (I was one of those dumb, uneducated GIs, Erin), or military dependents.) While not as well read or informed as today, I felt like the press at least tried to pretend to be balanced, although their hatred for President Reagan is surpassed only by their current overt hatred for the President and conservatives. In retrospect, the professors didn’t seem leftist because I grew up an east coast Democrat. Like I said, Erin, there’s not even a pretense anymore in either college campuses or in the media.
A botched joke? Was what Lurch said in 1972 another botched joke? Was Lurch standing arm-in-arm with Jane Fonda a botched joke? Was Kerry saying American soldiers are terrorizing Iraqi women and children in the dead of night a botched joke? Turban’s comments were a botched joke, too??? Kucinich’s? Murtha’s? Your impartial leftist press consider these people their darlings…Kerry was your Presidential nominee, Erin….Who speaks for you? Even your leftist media’s darling, John McCain is apalled by this sick “botched joke”.
Since this is a forum about racism and Republicans….I’ll talk about “debate” on Meet the Press last Sunday. While Mr Steele cleaned Cardin’s clock, what was very telling was the softball way the leftist Russert handled Steele (who waffled on the abortion question) compared to the ridiculously overt way he has been a tag-team partners with Democrats against white Republican candidates.
Your Lynne Cheney comment speaks volumes, Erin about your ignorance.
Don’t feed the trolls.
If you ignore him, he will go away. Or simply talk to himself.
Still waiting with bated breath, Dave, for your Ricketts lies and Republican scandals……Hard for you to deal with someone learned…instead of listening to your robotic leftists and spitting out the same talking points over and over again, Dave?
Incidentally, how do you feel about your last Presidential candidate’s “botched joke” about the military whom he feels such disgust for?? Do you agree with him? As another of your spokespeople believe, (Charlie Rangel) that we should institute the draft because the military is in his “mind”, disproportionately black. I would think that even though Kerry is one of yours, wouldn’t be a reach at all to call him racist….Especially when he stands arm-in-arm with Robert KKK Byrd, and poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
It’s real easy for you all to have your entitlement mentality (liberal Democrat mentality) when FAFSAs, grants, scholarships and/or your parents are paying your way….When you get in the real world…have to actually pay for things (other than incidentals) with your own money…and see 30-40% being confiscated and given to able-bodied people who do nothing….to grossly overfund public schools (follow the money, Erin/Dave as you try to analyze the fact that we are spending at a rate about 10 times greater than we did 20 years ago and the dropout rate is triple.)
Dave, I could learn more from talking to myself than I have from your Democrat talking points.
Subsidized loans, which I will have to pay back every damn cent, are paying my way. The grants are gone, because this Congress doesn’t care about making education affordable. Don’t assume you know anything about me.
I will make a few more comments on this post and then I am done for good. I need to spend more time on more important things like studying for organic chemistry.
First, please do not tell me that you are implying anyting bad about McCain. I like him. If another Republican has to take the Presidency, I hope it is him.
Second, I can understandI will make a few more comments on this post and then I am done for good. I need to spend more time on more important things like studying for organic chemistry.
First, please do not tell me that you are implying anything bad about McCain. I like him. If another Republican has to take the Presidency, I hope it is him. He is the media’s darling for a reason.
Second, I can understand why you would think that the liberal democrats are “stealing from the achievers and giving to the non-achievers.” People have and will always exploit something that is not well regulated. In my short experience on this earth, I have seen the benefits of social programs. For example, I help a girl on campus who is in a wheelchair and has limited use of her hands. Without the help of the League of Human Dignity and the NHHS, she would probably not have been able to go to college. Her parents certainly can’t help her. Her father is in Iraq and her mother babysits her granddaughter and works. And think of it this way, she won’t be a “burden” on society when she qualifies for a job to sustain her later. In fact, she may very well one day make great contributions to the medical field. I have also seen the benefits of social programs through the various community service projects I have done. Some of these programs would probably not have been possible without government subsidies. I am willing to take out a third of my paycheck for social programs, but taxes of course pay for so much more.
Yes, I would not likely be in college right now if it were not for the scholarships (I worked my butt off in high school to earn) and my student loan. My parents certainly cannot pay for four kids to go to college. Paying for college is near impossible without financial help and tuition is constantly rising. Your notion that everything is given to me is untrue. I have been working since I was 14 and I have had up to four part-time jobs to pay for living expenses. Sorry your college experience was terrible. I have great professors in the biology dept and they are the reason I will be going to professional/ grad school.
I am not sure why you think schools are grossly overfunded. If that is the case then why are teachers underpaid? With the “one school, one district” debate in Omaha (not one of our shining moments) it does not appear that way. I also don’t watch Meet the Press so no response there.
Okay, so the Cheney comment. Let me explain myself and then you can correct my ignorance. (Your upsetting remark about teachers may have put me in the mood to write nasty things). I believe in family values, just as Republicans do, except I may see things differently. In my eyes, the Cheney’s are turning their backs on a loved one by not supporting gay rights. I don’t respect anyone who doesn’t put family first. Plus, I haven’t seen anything substantial she has done for this country, which I find extremely disappointing with the PR power she has. Laura Bush informs us on Heart Disease, for example, which is respectable. Lynne certainly is not the first lady. She is not an elected representative. She does not speak for my party. She is simply married to the Vice President. So why again should I care to listen to her? Until she says or does something worth my attention, I choose not to acknowledge her plain and simple. Kind of like how I could care less what the Dixie Chicks or anything other Hollywood celebrity has to say about politics or the President. They certainly are not experts and most of them probably don’t even vote.
Lastly, plowboy, you sound a little bitter about life. Try to lighten up and enjoy life. Peace and take care.
First of all, Erin, I respect you and your opinions. I don’t agree with them, but unlike Dave, you make a reasonable argument to support your convictions.
Briefly on the Cheneys. There is a difference between loving and supporting your children and supporting an agenda that and a lifestyle that you find morally wrong. I hope that if one of my children present me with this kind of challenge, I respond the same way they have. They seem to have a solid relationship. I believe giving special rights to people based on a lifestyle choice is wrong…and in this case would cripple an entire industry. Imagine the price of your health care if suddenly men and their “dependent” husbands/wives/whatevers(?) when health insurance companies consider the risk factor? There’s both moral issue and a financial issue here.
To the school issue. Erin, you seem very appreciative of the educational opportunities given you….so I assume you visit your high school from time to time. Check out your administrative office next time you go….The two words you’ll hear over and over again is “excuse me”. Public schools are so bloated administratively that there is no money to pay the teachers. (I agree with you on the teacher’s pay…and their impact on young people at the K-12 level.) When my county was trying to pass what seemed like the zillionth bond issue to complement the zillionth levy, etc etc on behalf of the local schools, I decided to investigate based on the administrative issue. I took the published non-teachers salaries and divided them by the number of students….have a guess of what the percentage of the gross dollars allowed by the state per student was?? How about 39.7%? In the last 20 years we have “discovered” ADHD, the most fraudulently “diagnosed” “condition” in the history of medicine and the industry has completely corrupted the public school system. The high school I graduated from 25 years ago (enrollment 2025) had one part-time special-ed teacher who oversaw two students. My sister runs the special-ed department in the same school today…She has a staff of 27 teachers and 24% of the student body is in some capacity “special education”…Well Erin, it takes extra nurses to administer the zombie medication….additional “councelors” to help keep kids with this “condition” in line…and administrators to keep track of all the BS paperwork….What does that leave for teachers?? I could go on forever here….
On McCain, I respect his military service. I don’t respect the fact that like Chuck Hagel, he will always take a position opposite his party to get in front of a camera…only to see the errors of his ways after he gets his obligatory face time.
Lastly, the issue of giving to those who do and taking from those who don’t. Your example is one which both sides would agree on. We are a compassionate nation. We have always helped people in need. What the Great society has done is created a sub-culture of able-bodied government dependents. They are stuck in the cycle because in most cases (as an employer of upstart people I can verify) it is way more profitable for them to be un or underemployed than it is for them to strive in the free market…because if they make X amount of money their handouts stops. It’s nuts. Every day I get asked by able-bodied skilled people on disability (another issue) for work under-the-table. When I saw the title of this thread it made me angry because the party in charge was yours when all of this legislation came down. As a percentage of who this type of thing affects, it is disproportionately race-related. I am not blind to racism..(affirmative action).but assuming that someone, because of their color is too dumb to compete in the United States based on their skin color or their sex, is hideous…and wrong. As an employer, I can attest to that. It, like the principles of the Great Society, undermine both the person receiving the freebies and the person getting their money confiscated to support them. The pompous Kennedy principle that government could replace the father in the American household led to that pathetic sight we all got to see in New Orleans last year. Again, disproportionately racial, and wrong.
I consider myself somewhat of a Republitarian and unfortunatly I have of late come to the opinion that most Republicans are racist. When they talk about border security what they really are talking about is preserving American idenitity. Whatever that is it reminds me of the BNP in England but at least in England that sort of racism is not a popular and accepted belief. As a moderate conservative I feel I have no choice but to vote Libertarian this time around or perhaps a middle of the road Democrat. I really hope somebody can find some sollution to immigration reform. It is sad that the Right feels that it can divide people among ethnic lines using fear. I would rather see us unite amongst those ethnic lines and deny politicans the ability to manipulate us. Thanks.
There is nothing wrong with preserving an American identity or any other identity. Naive liberals who call everyone recist forget that they are hated by everyone for their own stupidity. Mexico protects its identity much more than united states, but you liberal morons only seem to bitch at our own nation. every region in the world tries to do this, even the nations that some of you love and hate such as Israel and palastine all fight for land and identity. If you are calling the whites resists, well idiots look at blacks who have been struggling to preserve their identity or in many ways just to create one, this does not mean that you are resist, that means that you are not a hollowed out tree stump, but actually know what and who you are. Before you naive idiots open you mouths about such things as the American border, please take some time to actually study the Mexican culture that is considered one of the most nationalistic and patriotic in Latin America. And before you label me as a racist since that is what most of you are only capable of doing is just pointing ur little fingers of hate and labeling everyone for being racist, or terrorist or any other naive little idea that you are trying to defend, i would like you to take a second, open your eyes and look at the reality , that quite often you defend idiotic ideals or in worse cases individuals and cultures that hate you simply for what you are, and not the president that represents you.