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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-684</link>
		<author>john</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A few things that didn't make it into the post:  

1)  FYI Matt- Hillary was for the war to start with even while speaking against Bush's mishandling of it.  She voted for it and the 87 billion too.  She didn't start speaking out against it until it turned our the administration has repeatedly lied to the American Public about why we were in Iraq and how well or not well we were doing there.  

2)  The reason I am calling him "columnist Lytle" is because that's his title.  Just like "Chairman Dean" is both Dean's new nickname from our dear Matt, and his actual TITLE.  

3) The reason I put "writers" in quotes is that technically the people who did it may have been copy editors or interns or something (Fox hasn't said who deserves the blame). But then again, what qualifies as writing at Fox is just inserting RNC talking points into real news stories anyway.  I don't see how these "writers" are that much different. 
In fact, based on Fox New's goals in news reporting, this type of mistake is the kind of thing that should get someone promoted.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things that didn&#8217;t make it into the post:  </p>
<p>1)  FYI Matt- Hillary was for the war to start with even while speaking against Bush&#8217;s mishandling of it.  She voted for it and the 87 billion too.  She didn&#8217;t start speaking out against it until it turned our the administration has repeatedly lied to the American Public about why we were in Iraq and how well or not well we were doing there.  </p>
<p>2)  The reason I am calling him &#8220;columnist Lytle&#8221; is because that&#8217;s his title.  Just like &#8220;Chairman Dean&#8221; is both Dean&#8217;s new nickname from our dear Matt, and his actual TITLE.  </p>
<p>3) The reason I put &#8220;writers&#8221; in quotes is that technically the people who did it may have been copy editors or interns or something (Fox hasn&#8217;t said who deserves the blame). But then again, what qualifies as writing at Fox is just inserting RNC talking points into real news stories anyway.  I don&#8217;t see how these &#8220;writers&#8221; are that much different.<br />
In fact, based on Fox New&#8217;s goals in news reporting, this type of mistake is the kind of thing that should get someone promoted.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Lytle</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-685</link>
		<author>Matthew Lytle</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-685</guid>
					<description>The administration had four reasons for the war. Look through the Library of Congress for H.J. 114 (From the 2002 session). They were: WMD's, sponsoring of terrorism, genocide of Kurdish Iraqis, and an attempt on Fmr. President Bush's life. And even with that, he hasn't lied. (We did find some sarin gas over there. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.duelfer/index.html for the proof.)

I'm aware she voted for such things. I had looked at the roll call votes to see if Kerry did vote for it, then against it. But which do many people remember, that she voted for the war, or that she was outspoken against it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The administration had four reasons for the war. Look through the Library of Congress for H.J. 114 (From the 2002 session). They were: WMD&#8217;s, sponsoring of terrorism, genocide of Kurdish Iraqis, and an attempt on Fmr. President Bush&#8217;s life. And even with that, he hasn&#8217;t lied. (We did find some sarin gas over there. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.duelfer/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.duelfer/index.html</a> for the proof.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware she voted for such things. I had looked at the roll call votes to see if Kerry did vote for it, then against it. But which do many people remember, that she voted for the war, or that she was outspoken against it?</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-686</link>
		<author>Cody</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-686</guid>
					<description>You know what's amazing about this country. We are able, as a people, to  have a certain view. Then when the circumstances change we are then allowed to alter this view to fit the new situation. In fact, I believe that that is much better than sticking to the first conclusion that you drew regardless of the facts. So even if, in your mind, either Clinton or Kerry "flip-flopped" they have every right to do so considering things had changed dramtically. As someone much smarter than I once said "Changing your mind is the only sure way to ensure that you still have one." 
And also, if you are going to quote people, try to do it in context. That helps a lot. That is if your goal is to inform. But if not, keep on using Fox!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what&#8217;s amazing about this country. We are able, as a people, to  have a certain view. Then when the circumstances change we are then allowed to alter this view to fit the new situation. In fact, I believe that that is much better than sticking to the first conclusion that you drew regardless of the facts. So even if, in your mind, either Clinton or Kerry &#8220;flip-flopped&#8221; they have every right to do so considering things had changed dramtically. As someone much smarter than I once said &#8220;Changing your mind is the only sure way to ensure that you still have one.&#8221;<br />
And also, if you are going to quote people, try to do it in context. That helps a lot. That is if your goal is to inform. But if not, keep on using Fox!</p>
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		<title>By: Abbey</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-687</link>
		<author>Abbey</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-687</guid>
					<description>Ok, you want to talk about reasons? 

#1- WMD-there were none

#2-sponsoring of terrorism: I'm going to say this one last time so you can get it through your head.  It has been proven that there was NO CONNECTION AT ALL between Al Quiada and Iraq. NONE!

#3- Genocide- There are lots of people commiting genocide. For instance, the Sudan or the Congo.  Why not go after them too? This wasn't a valid reason for putting our troops in harm's way. It just wasn't. 

#4- Attempt on Bush Sr.- Ugh. Personal revenge. Also not a valid reason to have 1500 soldiers on our side killed. Do you understand that Matthew!?

No, I don't think you have any sense of decency at ALL if you think these reasons were good enough reasons to go to war.  I will always be outspoken against this war, but I'm also realistic, I know we can't back out now.  But, that doesn't mean that I or Sen. Clinton will let the Bush administration know what a complete failure their handling of the war hass been.

Shove it, Matthew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, you want to talk about reasons? </p>
<p>#1- WMD-there were none</p>
<p>#2-sponsoring of terrorism: I&#8217;m going to say this one last time so you can get it through your head.  It has been proven that there was NO CONNECTION AT ALL between Al Quiada and Iraq. NONE!</p>
<p>#3- Genocide- There are lots of people commiting genocide. For instance, the Sudan or the Congo.  Why not go after them too? This wasn&#8217;t a valid reason for putting our troops in harm&#8217;s way. It just wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>#4- Attempt on Bush Sr.- Ugh. Personal revenge. Also not a valid reason to have 1500 soldiers on our side killed. Do you understand that Matthew!?</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think you have any sense of decency at ALL if you think these reasons were good enough reasons to go to war.  I will always be outspoken against this war, but I&#8217;m also realistic, I know we can&#8217;t back out now.  But, that doesn&#8217;t mean that I or Sen. Clinton will let the Bush administration know what a complete failure their handling of the war hass been.</p>
<p>Shove it, Matthew.</p>
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		<title>By: Abbey</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-690</link>
		<author>Abbey</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-690</guid>
					<description>Wow, I wish we could edit these. 

Ok in the last paragraph it's supposed to say, "But, that doesn't mean that Sen. Clinton or I won't let the Bush administration know..."

You get the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I wish we could edit these. </p>
<p>Ok in the last paragraph it&#8217;s supposed to say, &#8220;But, that doesn&#8217;t mean that Sen. Clinton or I won&#8217;t let the Bush administration know&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-691</link>
		<author>john</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-691</guid>
					<description>abbey's 4 points are great except I would change number three to point out that

3) the invasion of Iraq has killed, by latest reports, more that twice as many people as Saddam did in his entire regim's 30 year history, including the wars in Iran and Kuwait

and to point out that anyone claiming WMD's knows it's untrue.  He had no missles to shoot anything past his borders.  He had no "uranium enrichment faciliites" (remember Condi's mushroom cloud thing?) there are more wmds in New Jersey than Iraq.  So yes, those are called lies Matt.  

Democrats admitted that Clinton lied about Monica.  Republicans still can't admit that Bush lied when he spoke about Uranium from Niger, he lied when he said that 70 percent of the Iraqi's voted (it was closer to 25 percent) he lied when he said the country would be stabilized and safer after the June 1st transfer of power, he lied when he said...oh I don't need to go on and on.  

It's just an empirical fact that those were lies.  Thus, it is an emprical fact that Bush is a liar.  Come on out and admit it Matthew.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abbey&#8217;s 4 points are great except I would change number three to point out that</p>
<p>3) the invasion of Iraq has killed, by latest reports, more that twice as many people as Saddam did in his entire regim&#8217;s 30 year history, including the wars in Iran and Kuwait</p>
<p>and to point out that anyone claiming WMD&#8217;s knows it&#8217;s untrue.  He had no missles to shoot anything past his borders.  He had no &#8220;uranium enrichment faciliites&#8221; (remember Condi&#8217;s mushroom cloud thing?) there are more wmds in New Jersey than Iraq.  So yes, those are called lies Matt.  </p>
<p>Democrats admitted that Clinton lied about Monica.  Republicans still can&#8217;t admit that Bush lied when he spoke about Uranium from Niger, he lied when he said that 70 percent of the Iraqi&#8217;s voted (it was closer to 25 percent) he lied when he said the country would be stabilized and safer after the June 1st transfer of power, he lied when he said&#8230;oh I don&#8217;t need to go on and on.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just an empirical fact that those were lies.  Thus, it is an emprical fact that Bush is a liar.  Come on out and admit it Matthew.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-692</link>
		<author>Marcus</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm a liberal and I love America!

Good conversation guys and dolls!</description>
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<p>Good conversation guys and dolls!</p>
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		<title>By: DanielO</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-703</link>
		<author>DanielO</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I can't believe you just admitted to personal revenge.</description>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.unodemocrats.com/blog/2005/03/09/lytles-new-lytle-mistake/#comment-909</link>
		<author>chris</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not sure if Lytle is supposed to be an editorial or humor. All I end up doing is reading it and laugh. What a Loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if Lytle is supposed to be an editorial or humor. All I end up doing is reading it and laugh. What a Loser.</p>
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